Turning off.

Jim Harrison: Are poems themselves expressions of wildness? Because it seems a poem is an example almost of measured chaos.

Gary Snyder: You raise the most difficult question of all right there, which is, what is the nature of art in the relationship of the wild? It's interesting and complicated.

JH: I think of that extraordinary Shakespeare quote, "We are nature, too."

GS: Which is true. But what you have to go after is, what is it that is not wild? And start at that end. Most people think of art as being the most highly cultured, the most disciplined, the most organized of human production, but at the same time that it requires a lot of training, it doesn't happen unless you let wild in.

I'm reminded of what Robert Duncan said: "To be poetry it has to have both music and magic." And magic is the entry of the wild.

Turning off the calculating mind!

This is so good ... do yourself a favor.